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Hello, im new here but would just like to say LOVE THE SITE. 
well here goes, my mum has owned Fourtracks for years, and ive just got into off-roading with my G reg Fourtrack, im enjoying it sooo far... but i need some advise on how to build an external rollcage as i have seen none in the Image Galleries, does that mean its not possible or does that mean noone has tried??
I'm going to try as i watched my mate crush the living daylights out of his fourtrack and now it is just a rollcage and engine, and that made me think i wanted this NEW challenge.
So if anyone has any advice i would greatly appreciate it, or any diagrams i would really appreciate some help.
also can someone explain to me why my green 4WD light under the speedo wont go out??
Thanks alot and i look forward to making some new friends.
Martin
Don't supose you live
Don't supose you live anywhere near Dover, Kent? A cup of tea and a look at one of my toys would be easier than a long explanation. If not I'll write you a blow by blow acount when I'm more awake.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
That Sounds Interesting, But.....
Hi Nev,
no sorry mate i live in Ipswich, Suffolk. otherwise i wouldve done, have you got any pics of your toys?? that sounded rude..
but yes thank you for the help, go and get some rest man
No pics avalibe that would
No pics avalibe that would be that much use. The basic idea is prety simple though.
The main thing to remember is triangles are the strongest shape. Shapes with any more sides can buckle at the corners if struck. A triangle can't unless you actually bend one of the sides, which is a LOT harder to do.
Also the meaness of the cage dependes on the abuse your lickely to give it. I'll describe a full blown trial car cage 1st.
The main eliment of a cage is the rear hoop. This starts at the chassis about level with the rear of the drivers seat, when the seat is in your driving position. One leg comes up from each chassis leg. This is topped about level with the top of the rear wheel arches by the rear hoop itself. This will follow the shape of the car (inside or out). The hoop has a brase running from top corner (drivers side usualy) to opposite bottom corner (two triangles). Then two brases run from the top of the hoop to the chassis legs as near to the back of the car as possible. This is the main part of a cage. Another hoop (front hoop) comes from the chassis out the sides and around the engine bulkhead and windscrean. This is attached to the rear hoop by a bar over and under each cab door. A fith crosbrase bar running diagonaly across the roof from one hoop to the other is also advisible. A bar should also run from one side of the front hoop to the other under the windscrean.This is a basic cage.
Obviously all the brases running through the car arnt much good to a road going green laner. If all you want is a tree deflecter, designed to stop body damage due to leaning on trees to get past, and to put up with a gentel lye down if you muck up then a less nast cage can be made.
Basicly your front and rear hoops are still there. You mount outriggers to the chassis to mount the hoops to. The hoops go around the outside of the car. There are no brases in these hoops though, so they are not as strong. Unless you start cutting holes in your body work to get the brases through. As I said though, for green laning and a little gentel off road playing this sort of cage should be adequet.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
Im not going mad off-road yet lol :)
cheers Nev, well at the moment i have steps on it there going to be removed and the support are going to have bars slipped over and welded to the step braces as they are placed in front of the door and behind it, and there moanted to the chassis which are very strong, so if there was a cage they would still open which i want as im not exactly a small guy. but im looking forward to using your advise and i very much appreciate it. i was going to do a cross on the roof for added strength.
ill tell you my original plan and you tell me what you think...
i am going to put a bar from in front of the doors going across the windscreen at the bottom and then one at the top of the windscreen, the a bar over the area just behind the doors and one over the boot area.
then join the lot together with poles going down the length of the truck from boot to bullbars, then do my cross on the roof, with mini triangles inbetween the vertigal and horizontal joins.
any feedback would be appreciated.
cheers mate
Sounds like a standard
Sounds like a standard triple hoop external cage. The two hoops I mentioned, plus one at the rear of the car. Good solid idea. And for some front to back strength put a bar from the main hoop to the rear hoop level with the top of the rear wheel arch, and a cross brase from the top corner of the main hoop to where the wheel arch bar meets the rear hoop. Turns a rectangle into two triangles. This will help the cage withstand any solid knockes to the front of the cage.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
Thank You Again
Hi Nev,
Thanks for the input i'm really gettin into this now with what your telling me and what i need to do, you should be a tutor or something:). I also posted a picture of the jeep before in the Image Galleries, and when it is done there will be an after, with a message thankin you.
hope to speak soon.
Martin
No problem. 07710 088162 if
No problem. 07710 088162 if you get stuck.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
Have You Got....
Hello again Nev,
did you say you have got an external rollcage on your jeepie?? cos if you have is it possible to have a sneak peak at some piccies?? as im interested on how they look with the rollcage done.
Also another question.. sorry.. erm my leafsprings are straight not curved do i need new ones or do they need to be tightened up?? and can i get any lift by adjusting them??
Cheers Matey for the number i will keep that in my phone.
Regards,
Martin
I have got a jeep with an
I have got a jeep with an external cage... But is't (dare I say it) a Suzuki 413!!! I know. Sorry. It was given to me. I didn't ask for it... Anyway PM me your e-mail and I can send you some pics. It's just a two hoop, but you can see where to join up to the third easily enough.
As for the springs, Daihatsu springs are fairly flat. They flex by bending. Unlike series Landrover springs which are curved, and flex by straightening out.
The best way to lift by any desent amount is a body lift. Personaly I'd leave it at the height it is. You will get hung up sometimes, but you will also be able to get under lower hanging trees, and lean over further. Swings and round abouts I'm afraid. As with most things it's finding a compramise that suits what you want to do best.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.