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First post from a newbie so Hello everyone.
My first question to all of you goes like this. I have got a L reg Sportrak limited, 1.6 EFI which is shocking on fuel. I get about 25 to a gallon at best, the power is low, and the car is just generally lagging. Heres the thing, I used to drive a Peugeot 306 turbo diesel which had gearbox or diff problems. Until I had these problems, the car was running mint and had no other mechanical problems. I still have the 306 sat doing nothing and wanted to know if anyone has attempted, or knows of anyone who has fitted a pug diesel into a sporty. I know you can pretty much put any engine into any car and I am going to do the conversion but do you think I have got a big job on my hands? I read somewhere that a suzuki transfer case fits onto the pug engine, and also bolts onto the sporty gearbox but I dont know how true it is. Please give me any advice you can. I love my sporty but I hate the economy.
All the best,
Sam.
The problem of putting any
The problem of putting any Diesel in the Sporti is gearing. Look at the rev counter on the Sporti at 70mph in 5th. It will read about 4000rpm, which is prety much on the governers of most Diesel engines. This would make it less fuel efficient than the Petrol. Don't know what gearing you would end up with if you used the Peugot box. Is it the diffs or the gearbox of the Pug that gives a higher end ratio? Diffs at a guess. Of cours if your cutting it to bits to do an engine transplant you could also stand it up onto stupidly big tyres to improve the gearing? Not my personal choice, but many like the mini monster truck look.
As for the Suzuki transfur, it's a remote transfure (ie it is driven by a propshaft from the gearbox, and is not part of the same assembly like a Daihatsu or a Landrover). This means it can in theory be added behind any engine and rear wheel drive gearbox.
And no Fourtrak gearbox's and diffs do not fit in a Sportrak.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
PSA diesel into sportrak
Funnily enough I was thinking exactly the same about fitting a 1.9 pug/ cit diesel in the sportrak. I noted the other posters comments about the gearing which are valid , but I generally only use the sportrak for trundling around so the gearing shouldnt affect the top speed too much as I never rev it out to 6000 anyway. Another consideration is the gearing increase from fitting larger tyres/ wheels which would work in its favour. There are mechanical considerations to do with which flywheel and starter you use, there is no way that the Daihatsu starter will work on a diesel engine, so you need to plan to use the pug flywheel and starter, will it clear the bell housing? It could be a lot of work but would make the vehicle a lot cheaper to run.It would also get rid of the flat spot between the upper and lower powerbands.
Without wishing to be
Without wishing to be disrespectful, if you are having to ask such questions, you should not be doing such a conversion.
I think that is a little
I think that is a little harsh Assassin. I am no expert enginear. I do not have your qualifications, or experience. But I can cut and shut most things by trial and error if I have too. If others can learn from my mistakes, good for them. If not, lerning from their own is probably going to stick with them better anyway. And you never know, there are occasions when people manage to do something wonderful, just becouse no-one told them you can't do that, or even dispit it.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
sporty n diesal
several people lately just wanna put a diesal into a sporty personaly i cant see the point- its been done, its called a fourtrak! there near on same size in some respect and alot more useful than a sporty....my opinion.
Full of ideas but no time to do them!!
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several people lately just
several people lately just wanna put a diesal into a sporty personaly i cant see the point- its been done, its called a fourtrak! there near on same size in some respect and alot more useful than a sporty....my opinion.
Full of ideas but no time to do them!!
www.bloodredoffroad.com
www.milneroffroad.com
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Nev: People like us have vast
Nev:
People like us have vast experience of such things, and from this we know the following.
99% of such conversions are never completed, people waste time and considerable amounts of money for nothing.
Has he got the skills to weld, fabricate, wire, and do all the other necessary jobs associated with such a task.
Many people who do such conversions find they are often illegal, this costs even more to put right.
Even if they are completed, many insurers will not touch them.
The point i am raising is simple, with all this money which could be wasted, would he be better saving it and investing in a Fourtrak. This could be modified and without all the problems and headaches of an engine conversion.
You are right of course.
You are right of course. However I feel that if someone comes onto the forum seeking advise, then that is just what they should get. How to do it? Why it might not be a good idea maybe? What has or hasn't worked for others in the past? That is what I feel the forum is all about. In the past (befor the wonders of the inter-web) I have found the advice of more exprienced heads invaluable while trying to make cars do things their original designers would probably have a baby over. I hope that in turn I can now help others to 'give it a go', or maybe save them some money and time trying something that has failed befor. But I am also of the opinion that just becouse one person (or even 50) couldn't manage something, that it can't nessesarily not be done. Once upon a time there wasn't an enginear out there who thought an iron boat could float...
Now I feel guilty, as I seem to have taken over this poor chaps thread.
Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.
We also have a responsibility
We also have a responsibility to others Nev, this extends to letting them know what is involved. You will notice i have not said do not do it, merely suggested it would be a bad idea.