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Bull Bars

Submitted by dellboy13 on Thu, 26/08/2010 - 09:39
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Hi all

I know the law changed about fitting Bull Bars, but I do not know how it changed, are you allow to fit them now?
Cheers

Mark

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mine has bull bars

Submitted by Windy on Sat, 28/08/2010 - 14:49.

mine has bull bars on.....were on it when I got it.

'94 Fourtrak Independent

Short and Sweet Answer !!

Submitted by BobF on Thu, 26/08/2010 - 13:06.

NO.

Bob.

2003 Sirion Rally 4. And I love it.
Don't like the new shape Sirion much.Sorry.

Well that answers that question then

Submitted by dellboy13 on Thu, 26/08/2010 - 13:56.

Thanks, you saved me some money on Ebay and a massive fine!

Web links for UK law about bull bars.

Submitted by Mace on Thu, 26/08/2010 - 12:54.

http://www.endura-fps.com/noncompliantmetalbullbars.html

http://www.lmmc.co.uk/Noncompliantmetalbullbarsbanned.htm

I suggest you also get guidance/permission from you car insurance company before fitting bull bars etc.

both the above links are

Submitted by richard p on Fri, 27/08/2010 - 17:19.

both the above links are basically adverts for a bendy plastic bull bar... they only say its now illegal to make or market solid bull bars... not the same as using one allready fitted to an old vehicle... or even fitting a used one to an old vehicle... ive got to work this evening so havnt got time to research the facts.. but i suggest you use google to find the actual legistlation. its unusual to find that new legislation applies to vehicles already built... but there are exceptions.

You are not allowed to fit bull bars !!

Submitted by BobF on Fri, 27/08/2010 - 18:57.

If your older vehicle has never had bull bars you are NOT allowed to put them on.

They are illegal on all new vehicles.

How do I know ?

I have worked for the Dept of Transport for the last 22 years. Smiling

Leave em alone.
The law is so screwed up it is not worth any chance of running foul of it.
And you know the law is an ass don't you.

Cheers, Bob F.

2003 Sirion Rally 4. And I love it.
Don't like the new shape Sirion much.Sorry.

how does anyone know when an

Submitted by richard p on Fri, 27/08/2010 - 21:31.

how does anyone know when an 89 fourtrak was fitted with a bull bar?.. it could have been last week or 10 years ago. theres a lot of old 4x4s running arround with bull bars still fitted.

Good Question ?

Submitted by BobF on Sat, 28/08/2010 - 12:29.

I can only presume that the boys in blue or a ministry man
(I am not a ministry man)

Would take one look at an old vehicle with new looking bull bars and put two and two together and make = 3 ??

New drilled holes ?

The DVLA certainly know what was on any standard fitted car - including 4 by 4s.
So they may try something that way.

Who knows ? I admit I dont.

Take a chance and see what happens !!

Cheers, Bob.

2003 Sirion Rally 4. And I love it.
Don't like the new shape Sirion much.Sorry.

I have had a read through

Submitted by Nev. K on Sat, 28/08/2010 - 23:41.

I have had a read through Directive 2005/66/EC, and it appears from that to only refure to it being ilegal to sell, or make to sell, metal bull bars. It does not mention home grown ones, of fitting second hand bars to an old car. As someone els said car legislation normally only aplies to vehicles made after the date the law comes intoeffect, but usually wont stop a fine hitting you if you get it wrong.
As a civil servent myself, who inforces legislation, I can confirm that thinking you know what the law says wont save you if your wrong. Even if it was a government department that told you it was all OK in the first place.

I'm going to do some more reading, as I want to make a winch bumper / bull bar up myself at some point.

Have a look at the links from this page on the Pajero owners site: http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=593838&sid=684b7c93db699d2f8f21647ba99695db

'nother page to look at: http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/what-car-q-and-a-january-2009/bull-bars---are-they-legal/236992

The only date I have found so far, posted by 'Hill Billy' on a Land Rover forum: http://forum.landrovernet.com/showthread.php/5203-Metal-Bull-Bar-A-Bar-Ban?p=30482&viewfull=1

Toyota forum that seems to point to car pre 27 May 2007 being OK to have metal Bull bars: http://www.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=100186

What I really want to see (but can't find) is the UK guidence notes for enforsers on this subject.

This site seems to be worth a good look: http://www.frontalprotectionsystems.eu/media-centre/downloads.php

Any veiws expresed in this thread by me are purely from my own experience, and (sometimes) falible memory. Hope my comments help, but please don't take them as gospel.

ive also been unable to find

Submitted by richard p on Sun, 29/08/2010 - 14:24.

ive also been unable to find anything definative that mentions pre 07 vehicles, but whatever the legalities of fitting bars its the attitude of insurance companies thats going to be the deciding factor.